We have survived two days of CES 2025

Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.

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Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening one in every of CES formally?

Cherlynn: I suppose, yeah. I

Devindra: guess we have now already suffered via mainly day minus one. Minus

Cherlynn: one and at this time’s zero.

Devindra: One factor I would like our listeners to grasp is that we have now already seen a whole lot of issues we sort of know the place the CES is headed. And, I believe this can be a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you are feeling about that? For all of us. For our

Cherlynn: staff. Yeah, I believe I imply, Devindra, I will allow you to communicate to your scenario, however we have had staff members who’ve fallen deathly in poor health.

We’ve additionally, like, individuals who have fully needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It has been fairly Engadget staff, however we have now a extremely, actually good staff of individuals. Everybody’s obtained nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You wish to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you could have been struggling a little bit [00:01:00] bit.

Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I mainly threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I sort of was mentally simply making ready the way to fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, you realize, I survived. And

Cherlynn: sitting in a aircraft for so long as you probably did could not assist both, proper?

Most likely did not assist.

Devindra: Fortunately I did a sensible factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply mandatory. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We’ve seen we have simply went via CS Unveiled yesterday.

A variety of embargoes and information got here out at this time too. You already know, a number of the largest information we have seen. Dell’s rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There’s some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, you realize, simply sort of a typical CS stuff. What had been the bizarre stuff you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?

Since you had been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.

Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra’s [00:02:00] damage, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, you realize, in a position to recuperate a little bit bit. So, Devindra wasn’t at Unveiled with me, so I’ll inform you about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.

One way or the other essentially the most intriguing factor to date is the development of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.

Speaker 3: Okay.

Cherlynn: So, we have now like, not less than two issues which can be saliva detecting gadgets. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you place a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We

Devindra: aren’t going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let’s not try this.

Dan

Cherlynn: Cooper positively not developing with a narrative primarily based round that. However the thought is that utilizing your saliva. Firms can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone sorts of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it is a bit to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there’s It is the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.

That

Devindra: does not appear to be [00:03:00] thought at a, at a convention. It

Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody’s felt prefer it was, initially it appeared a little bit icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its title. It is a gadget that can mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization known as Kirin.

Devindra: Okay.

Cherlynn: Which I imagine makes some sort of condiment. That is the,

Devindra: they are a soy sauce firm. Precisely.

Cherlynn: And so, it is the concept like, folks wish to reside more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium food plan. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We find it irresistible. We

Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why do not

Cherlynn: we, why do not we use electrical in your tongue?

Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it’s made. That may be very dystopian. That is very like, you realize, Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we’re not likely consuming meals, however we’re feeling these kind of like electrical impulses of meals.

Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it’s tasting one thing.

Simply to really feel alive. That is horrible. I do know. I, it is, it is, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I am very intrigued. I virtually, so I used to be sort of ready in line, nevertheless it was so crowded all the time. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I did not actually get round to it.

There have been different issues, I believe, that turned up that, as unveiled, that had been very fascinating. Our staff noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a couple of zillion robots that each one sort of look very bizarre. After which, a lot of mirrors which you could, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I believe, the Stern Pinball Machine of the 12 months is themed Dungeons Dragons.

Okay.

Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock’s flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor seems cool as a result of they only added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may decide up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually all for seeing the race between Roomba all these different firms.

I believe was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We’ll dump your vacuum into this larger container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can maintain going. Now everyone’s doing that. Then Roomba and others folks began doing like combo mops. And now it is similar to, we’re getting appendages. We’re getting, I believe one can climb stairs.

I noticed information about that.

Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I suppose. And he or she obtained an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I can not bear in mind the precise. title, the way it’s pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it we have now a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It is

Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.

Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video exhibits the robotic’s arm sort of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which selecting up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I assumed it might simply decide it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket virtually, And positioned it in there.

So mainly

Devindra: we’re virtually there. We’re virtually there to actual robotic helpers.

Cherlynn: So shut. This factor may be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all firms would do it. I used to be like,

Devindra: it is a, it is actually fascinating to observe as a result of Roborock, I believe, yeah, it is a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these of us, like, particularly once they’re doing robotic stuff, like they’re simply barreling ahead as a result of they’ll make investments extra in R& D and stuff.

I would like, I’ve mentioned this earlier than. I would like one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,

Cherlynn: which is the

Devindra: course of that I believe like

Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.

Devindra: You already know load it up clear the kitchen similar to an actual rosy robotic scenario. That is what I would like

Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you just’re speaking about that may climb upstairs.

I imagine is the dreamy And yeah, it is fascinating to see or I used to be like why why would we want a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I suppose there are precise practical makes use of for the x50 robotic I do not know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.

Devindra: I believe this can be a dangerous thought. It is a dangerous thought, as a result of Usually, you need your robotic to be on one ground.

Yeah! Upon getting stairs within the equation, then, like, it might fall. There might be all types of points. To me, that is not tremendous helpful. I have been room constructing for some time, and solely not too long ago with two flooring. You decide it up, and you progress it to a different ground when that you must. When you’re tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you could have a couple of Roomba.

You might have a Roomba port per ground. Or you could have

Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that does not matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. And so they’re

Devindra: low-cost Roombas. You possibly can get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: Comparatively, that is comparatively low-cost in comparison with how a lot they used to price.

Cherlynn: Properly, this one, I imply, I suppose the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it is not like kind of propelling itself up in some unusual manner, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It is like, God, some sort of like climbing mechanic. That is like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like

Devindra: I’ve to take a more in-depth look.

The

Cherlynn: video seems like wild and I am in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it seems like. A lot

Devindra: stuff. One other factor I wish to speak about, the TVs appear to be, it looks as if wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are absolutely doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi packing containers.

They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do suppose that is ache level for lots of [00:08:00] folks. Individuals hate Wires. Transferring behind their TVs. They hate, like, for those who’re mounting a TV, it’s important to, like, work out the place all of the wires are going to go.

So there’s that that firm Displace, which final 12 months had the suction TV with the battery, which I believe I known as it vaporware final 12 months. I do not suppose they really shipped any. This 12 months they’re again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they’ll really ship stuff. I do not imagine it. However, they’re again.

They’re right here.

Cherlynn: Is one 12 months sufficient time to see if the TV that can stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? You already know what I imply? Like, is it time to name it protected if it hasn’t fallen off in a 12 months? Or ought to we give it one other 12 months? I do not know.

Devindra: It is my entire factor about trusting devices and trusting gadgets, I cannot belief it.

Multi thousand greenback machine that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.

Cherlynn: It is like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it is one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there’s a whole lot of stuff to be involved about, I believe.

Devindra: Boy AIPC continues to be a working theme this 12 months.

AMD was actually massive on a complete bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It is speculated to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. Additionally they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel’s chips.

As a result of AMD’s graphics are usually higher. They’ve like inbuilt Radeon cores. So, you realize, they’re sort of killing it. Intel was similar to, hey We’ve AI chips too. They’re coming to gaming desktops. They’re coming to different issues.

Speaker 3: Yeah,

Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that will likely be coming to gaming laptops as effectively.

So, that is a factor. You already know, the advantage of CES is which you could see folks and discuss to folks. So, I had chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor gadgets from Microsoft. That was an off the report chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they’re fascinated by AI PCs.

Hopefully we’ll have him on for one more part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I suppose like CS is occurring. Like when information is occurring, these firms are taking it critically. We’re speaking to excessive stage folks. So it looks like a CS of your, I would say, regardless of being so cursed early on,

Speaker 3: I suppose,

Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels authentic and actual in a manner that hasn’t for the previous couple of years.

However I imply, for

Cherlynn: you, perhaps two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it has been some time. And I believe that my basic sense is that curiosity in CES may need waned. I believe this 12 months too you realize, we have, we have had completely different observations about exhibits from the latest years and this 12 months feels much more like it’s one thing you may, it is like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues a little bit bit and greater than ever really.

And it’s totally very similar to the Radio Shack present a little bit bit. However you realize, I’d say, I do not wish to give away what we’re engaged on. So I’d say like, we’re, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we have a whole lot of movies going up We have really are bringing again our youtube channel for a little bit bit And the reside weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] reside weblog hell on daily basis for a little bit bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of reside blogs enable me to be a bit extra I believe private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do wish to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.

We’re recording this however We nonetheless do not know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say essentially the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you considering that they’re going to do for CES?

Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they sometimes hype up their AI tasks or robotics tasks.

And truthfully, issues that we do not sometimes report information on as a result of it is sort of pie within the sky stuff that can solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They do not actually contact shoppers. We’ll ultimately hear, probably, concerning the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Possibly not tonight, however I’ve sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.

And that’s the factor persons are actually ready to see. And I believe AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that is fascinating too, simply the title is fascinating. As a result of you realize, AMD’s used to observe a completely completely different Radeon naming scheme.

Now they’re sort of aligning with what NVIDIA’s doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 will likely be similar to no matter NVIDIA broadcasts as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make buying a little bit simpler. So there’s that. The RDNA 4 know-how goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we have knocked AMD in opposition to earlier than.

As a result of their constancy impacts an excellent decision for stuff. However simply could not compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA’s DLSS, in order that they’re gonna have a solution to that. However once more, similar to, transient teases the information submit I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they did not have a lot data.

They’re similar to, yeah, we may have new video playing cards, we may have new

Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,

Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I believe NVIDIA’s gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.

Cherlynn: Yeah.

Devindra: And I wish to do perhaps one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, similar to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and report wherever. Yep. We’re at our breakfast nook proper now. In

Cherlynn: the lodge.

Devindra: Yeah. And perhaps you may hear extra ambient noise than regular, nevertheless it, this can be a actually good option to have conversations. Yeah, it is quick. We hope to have some interviews from of us up quickly too.

With different

Cherlynn: members of the staff. You may hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I believe, I promise you all of them sound superb and beautiful. I am making an attempt to think about like, whether or not there’s anything that is of word within the information that we have seen to date, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we have been

Devindra: like, headstabbed.

Similar to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn’s been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I’ve had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the staff

Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, sort of a return to type in that sense, but in addition looks like we have been masking this endlessly each CES.

We noticed a number of I do not know. Plenty of AI that [00:14:00] does not actually must be AI. We noticed a whole lot of pet tech. We noticed a whole lot of good dwelling. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com could be an awesome place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG’s obtained all these bizarre merchandise that I believe we talked about even forward of coming to CES.

The place like, sure it is slapdick 2070 inch display on a microwave, however then not too long ago we discovered what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That is really

Devindra: sort of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.

Cherlynn: Yeah, so loads, loads to look out

Devindra: for. Of the tales we have produced, I do wish to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell’s rebranding.

I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so take a look at that submit. However Sam had a extremely good rant known as Dell killing the XPS title is an unforced error. And that entire story is wild as a result of Dell’s mainly obliterating all of its model names. They’re simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.

And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert

Cherlynn: myself a little bit bit right here? As a result of it is not simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is unnecessary. Like in the event that they simplified it actually, it might simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Positive. However no, it might be Dell, Dell Professional, after which beneath every, there is likely to be the premium label and the plus label.

So it might be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium continues to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?

Devindra: Sure.

Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And you then throw within the numbers. There’s numbers. They’re coming again. Among the numbers

Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are sort of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I had been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you could have the identical title inside your title.

You’re conflicting what this machine really is, and I discover that to be fully ridiculous. So, take a look at Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our facet. Sure, they’re proper.

Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] just isn’t proper.

And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our facet as effectively. It is a complete

Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I do not miss just like the, I do not miss a whole lot of the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, nevertheless it’s extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks as if a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks as if a extremely weak transfer.

Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I lined HP’s pivot to at least one model as effectively when that occurred final 12 months. And HP had sense to only, once they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. So that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Positive. It is their very own title. For Dell to inform you that they don’t seem to be copying Apple, and I am not saying they did say that to you, however like, they kind of steered that these are trade phrases.

They did say that

Speaker 3: to me. However

Cherlynn: like, if HP can accomplish that with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why cannot you, Dell?

Devindra: That is mainly what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this entire factor and so they had been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to realize by copying Apple?

And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.

Cherlynn: In fact he did. He

Devindra: I imply for him too, it is like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it is like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his

Cherlynn: title, yeah, yeah. And I

Devindra: really feel like which may be a part of it, however I’ve talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different folks, folks working throughout the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this transformation.

In fact

Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of

Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and every little thing, the manufacturers they dedicate their lives to are gone. And now they need to reside with these new manufacturers and I do not know if persons are going to be as excited. So anyway, that is going to be a protracted ongoing story.

Try our protection in all of its many types. I believe that is going to be one of many massive takeaways from the CS. Del kind of, simply capturing itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I wish to rapidly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of word.

One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to truly retail this 12 months, they are saying. However they did say that final 12 months too. After which we do not know a worth but. We simply know it is going to be the primary half of the 12 months is what they mentioned on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.

It is going to occur? January twenty second. So thanks quite a bit, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us will likely be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let

Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That is the message of this 12 months. By no means,

Cherlynn: by no means occurring. Alright, we

Devindra: will, we’ll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an e mail, of us, podcastinggadget.

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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh

Devindra: yeah, perhaps we must always simply open up a playlist and have folks add songs to it. Anyway, we’re out of us, thanks.

Cherlynn: Bye!